This renegade’s on the chase again, clinging to whatever scraps of light. It’s so different just being out in the open... I had thought religion must always be associated with bureaucracy, with function being above the soul.
Church... um. Haven’t been in a month or so. I get curious about the ward in my new area but... It just stays a curiosity.
My mother is beginning to crack down on me for not recieving my patriarchal blessing yet. She’s been telling me it will be a blueprint to my path in life... I hate to watch her religious flutter, it actually scares me how she can appear to be so spiritual and be so rash and set in her ways.... Why is it that I feel so dangerous saying these things? Why have I always been so pressed to not look anywhere else but in one small corner?
John wrestles with Christianity, but whenever he and Tammie have troubles, he wanders off to the Lutheran church near the apartment. Says it’s peaceful. It is actually. So are the different church houses I’ve been to in my life. At the Buddhist temple you can definitely feel an energy. As far as feeling the ‘spirit’ goes it’s surprising on how I feel it and where. I don’t think I’ve lost it, many would say before my telling them of my church activity that I do have it. I love the quote ‘ the less I seek one source for one definitive, the closer I am to fine’. But it’s not always easy...
My struggle of the soul is not just limited to Mormonism, but to Christianity as a whole. The ideals of Salvation complex me, just the whole urgency of it... The motions of Salvation as well, it is either good or evil right or wrong. Is finding the value and depth of one’s soul such a uniform process? Can it just be found by looking at the stamps on each action and making a collective desicision to see if you’ve flunked out or not? Is it really about earning love and redemption from the father???
An obstacle I have to understanding any black and white process is it is heavily based on direct associations. Whatever happened to due process? Too many factors exist for such uniform establishments, even there are too many factors within factors. It leaves too much room for discrimination and less room for thinking for one’s self. It assumes we all have same goals. Yet there is that ticker in my head again ‘beware of he who is learned’.
It’s like running your bubble test sheet into one of those machines. In less than five seconds you have your score. It does not take into account your putting down (b) when you actually meant (c). It is a machine, it can never read your mind. Divine forces should be able to understand you as you are, an atypical mold. We can’t assume that every member of humanity has the same purpose.
Draining filters. In church they are taught that there is much that our carnal minds cannot begin to comprehend. Once we are in an eternal sphere our comprehension is expanded, not simplified. I believe that after this life our comprehension will be broadened and not condensed. Eternal descisions should not be made by an earthly order. Yet we are taught that it will all fall into good or evil, white or black. Well I’m sorry we’re not dealing with a posterized black and white portrait here. We are not even dealing with a grayscale image. We are dealing with life – an endless colorwheel of beautiful complexities.
It does sound appealing. To completely eliminate the evaluation process and replace it with but one law. But that leaves too much chance to prejudice.
I am not saying it is wrong to have a focus. It is very important to have and embrace basic values, but the essentials should not choke the framework and the framework should not bury the essentials. This can’t be seen in a rigid system fueled by opposing extremes because there is no room for factors of who one is. I do not believe there is evil out there, just imbalances, just confusion as to what to do with the complexities of one’s self. There was an amazing allusion in my book. The soul is like a packaged fixture, all the parts are included but some assembly is required. Sometimes we can make bad combinations. Individuals’ purposes become a mosaic, and if all are in balance with themselves. I see little embrace of diversity of thinking for oneself. Doing that is marked as a danger. However I look around and all dangerous functions try to sever the thought of an individual. Individuals are mediums in themselves, their own songs and palates of color. We are not scaled by some universal toner that plots us out into black and right.
I’ve never been the ideal student. Most of my life teachers have talked about my delayed homework. She needs to focus more on completing assignments. Little did my teachers know how much I took from those classes. I would get so intense in art and music lessons as you can probably imagine. Back then was when the sciences still fascinated me. I would trace the rings of Saturn, and told the substitude teacher maybe the gaseous planets were created by the trails of gases other planets left behind. When we did a section on the black rights movement I imagined myself out there marching, fueled to be speaking out with the crowds. Sometimes I was considered dull because I wouldn’t respond, I wouldn’t turn in homework. Because learning is judged by paperwork, five letters and a range of percentages that I did not earn, they measured my education by what I completed, never by what I learned. The system would not allow it’s own flexibility because setting standards was far more important than communicating the essentials of education.
Sometimes the education system reminds me of my previous religion. I would keep a still, quiet place in my soul hoping to listen. I would see others who would partake in ‘unrighteous’ acts tear up in the lessons when I was waiting patiently for my understanding to unfold. It was like others could pick up on it so quickly when I’d have to strain myself to understand the nature of God and righteousness.
In seminary class, Brother Evenhuis told us a story about a mother trying to illegally cross her country’s borders through a river with her small children, and new born in her arms. The young child could not handle the trauma and began to cry. Worried that she would be exposed and her children shot, she frantically tried to calm the baby. She stroked his cheek and brought the child to her breast to try to feed him, but his crying did not stop. With tears in her eyes she knew she had no choice. She looked at her other children who were clinging to her in fear.
She covered the baby’s mouth, it wasn’t enough. Broken and reluctant, she held her infant in her hands for the last time and held him below the icy waters as he struggled feebly confused by this act in his mothers caring arms. Hysterical tears rolled down her cheeks as her child took his last breaths. She could not even whimper else give her family away. If she had not done this, her other children and herself would have been caught and tortured by the guards. She wanted freedom of religion as a Mormon convert. Even still it was considered a sin- murder. She was granted repentance by the prophet after following a long process of interviews and...
In these kinds of systems actions can only be seen as actions, but there was no room to take into account her love for her children. It was truly a sorrowful situation, how could God not see this woman’s sacrifice? How could that inflexible system take this into account. Murder is murder. What pain this woman must have felt to do the best that she knew and in one desperate situation still be reprimanded for her loving concern and pursuit for her family.
I don’t know if you had watched the Torino Winter Olympics last year. I watched the team skating sessions. Having two left feet I have an appreciation for those with grace and the beauty of delicate movement. They appear to glide over the ice as if friction and gravity do not exist to them. I believe it was one of the Chinese pairs that were out on the ice. There was so much spirit contained in this dance. It appeared that the two were in perfect animated balance. As the man spun her through the air, she positioned her knee in the wrong alliance with her ankle and the balance was broken for a moment. After she fell she curled up on the ice, she had strained a muscle. She would have been in the lead, but that spin was crucial. She was carried to the normal ground, She tried again while in excruciating pain. Upon that difficult spin she landed right with some difficulty but landed all the same. What made her do this? Just ambition or was there something behind this? It was her sheer spirit there that allowed her to dance on a damaged leg, aside from pain. This was not included in the rubric, there was no way to incorporate spirit and a focused determination within the Olympic evaluation process. If you saw this, do you remember how powerful this was? Where was the room for spirit or passion? Doesn’t spirit and passion remove it from being just an act, just a movement?
Such processes ban inward values because they do not appear to be absolute or easily measured. I believe however that these should be taken into account. I can never support a self serving system which functions on blunt and rigid framework. Something as profound as the salvation of a soul cannot be charted out by measurements. I have a hard time seeing the view of any duality, in this cause that of black and white because of it’s bureaucratic funtionings.
I realize that salvation is based on boundaries of the sacred and profane. It leads to many who will fume and preach all mighty speeches of brimstone and fire when they can’t solve problems with the black and white formula.
I do not understand the nature of sin or the nature of a sin’s consequence. I recongnize that there are acts that can be commited that can deform one’s spirit. I recognize that anything that transcends this life will call for one’s ethics. What I do not understand is Christianity’s response to sin. A sin still remains a sin and that’s where the Savior comes in. If we recognize it, then Christ will complete it for us. Sins must be suffered for. Wrong deeds deserve correction, yes. But I cannot agree with the definition of correction. If a man commits an act harmful to his soul’s growth, but later recognizes the measures of this act and does his best to understand the nature of the act and truly takes accountability why should he still be punished? What if it made him stronger?
My shortcomings have built me in ways I cannot begin to describe. The process of which I look at my mistakes and correct the thinking -/ feelings that led to them is so much more valuable. Why should sin still remain a cost after the fact, after one has evaluated a wrong doing, and resolved the issue? Are sins really permanent black marks that cannot be corrected without a call from the big guy? Aren’t sins the nature of the act or ‘crime’ a failing of the heart? Or is it still the fact that a ‘crime’ was put down on a track record? WHY SHOULD IT BE TALLY MARKS ON THE WALL??? This Universal Law that is functioned on does not take this into account, so how is this love if it is so ignorant to this? This system’s basicness is actually frightening to me. It can never be observed deeper than the face value, because that would be robbing justice? My question is why does justice rob so much from mercy?
How is this justice? I believe that all are born good, but along the ways in our lives we are confronted with conflicting parts of ourselves and all sorts of complex situations. Some are lucky enough to be given wise parents who encourage growth, but many are not. Many adults are still trying to grow themselves. In fact some religions try to encourage marriage as early as possible... Children raising children? I could accept a lot more of this system if churches were more established, Be it Mormonism or Christianity. That way all could have an equal chance. This would be great if everyone could be born into what they were able to handle or an environment that would not block their growing. Look around do you see this? Does everyone have an equal chance? No. I do not believe that every one is only given challenges that they are able to handle. This is not justice. This justice continues to rob mercy. (How in the world were these two virtues considered opposites in the first place?) What makes it like this? Does commiting a sin really pollute the universe’s atmosphere? Offset some cosmic balance by virtue of track records???
On a side note I can’t believe as one general authority has said that we are only given trials that we are able to face. Okay... So what about toddlers who are beaten bloody and senselessly by their crack head mom?
I do not directly understand a universe’s requirement for blood and torture. In this respect I do not understand the Crucifixion, or the Atonement. This system of religion seems to communicate someone must pay for this and sacrifice. Why do wrong doings need to be suffered so gruesomely for? As I said earlier why is resolve not enough? I think personal resolve is very spiritual, powerful. Why beat someone who has suffered profusely at knowing they have made a grave mistake and actually worked build themselves better ethics?
If this universal law is higher than God than God is not all powerful. I do not understand it. This says we cannot learn by experience but I believe that experience is the most profound teacher. If you make a mistake, and feel that mistake and assume responsibility, and make a respectable effort to change why does one still need to be slapped around? We should be judged by heart and intent. Not because we spiritually misspell words or use improper grammar. But by the content of the message in our souls.
Excuse me if this appears to be blashemy. I am finally speaking from my heart when it comes to religion now, not fear of a deity. I mean not to harm anyone’s beliefs and think that Christianity is beneficial to some. But I do not feel that it need be pressed as the only path to growth and personal betterment.
I want to learn how to improve, to be able to embrace values larger than I. To have firmness in all that I do. To look deeply into all that I see and try harder to seek what I may have missed. I have nothing but respect for the power of the earth and existence itself. It is a journey, and this renegade has once again packed for more nomadic trails.
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Sweet Jeebus!!!
We don't all have your free time, my dear.
I'll read it, haven't yet, but will Sunday at the latest, likely.
no worries, no worries. It surprises me that anyone is able to stay sane with my gaps between posts. :)
Alright, do to the size of this, I may have to post in components, so I'm commenting as I go.
First of all, the Patriarhal Blessing, as you put it.
I'm going to grab onto my not oft seen noble side for this one (whoa snap!):
Whether or not you do it, that is up to you. I can see to opposing decisions here and the reasons for them, but those will be up to you. This decision is completely up to you and no one else, and the sooner off everyone realizes it, the better off everyone will be.
Now, for the big advice that I want you to listen to: You have to do it regardless of everyone else. I don't mean "do it" as in get your blessing and the like. But if you're truly on a path to find the truth, you have to consider all paths on the same criteria. "Shadow, what are you getting on about?" I'm talking about emotions, not that I think you would, but you need to be sure that the decisions you make in this regard aren't based off of emotional reaction to others and their own beliefs.
For instance, your mother. You need to weigh out the options for staying with the faith you have for so long, or forging your own path, regardless of whether or not she seems like she needs it more than you, regardless of what I think and regardless of what the world thinks.
If you can make the decision based off of your own judgements and absolutely free from the influence of me, or Porter, your mom, your Bishop or any number of other people, you should be able to be safe with that judgement, whether or not we feel it is right or wrong.
Don't get me wrong here, if you are going to sign up with the First Church of Lucifer, I will attempt to get involved, but I realize that it's still your decision and yours alone.
Oh, and you feel dangerous saying these things because you're challenging authority. Isn't it great? You're a threat now, a free thinker. "Welcome to the real world, Vermillion."
Yes, indeed, beware.
I still find one of my favorite quotes, one of you might find is ironic, is "Judge not lest ye be judged." of course, it's more a spin off of a verse (I think, as I can't quote directly) that long ago relayed to me the message that only God should judge you.
In my mind there are only two people that can A) judge you or B) make you do anything. That makes it between you and the big guy.
I'm not going to say that I'm perfect, if I were me (wait...) I would judge myself harshly for not living up to that mantra. But then the big guy might see it differently for the reasons that you put there. Because he knows all of the factors, and more, he understands them.
I don't think that things are as cut and dry as everyone makes them out to believe, but I do believe that there is definate good, and definate evil. While it could be interpreted differently by men, God will know it despite any fancy talking or lawyering that men might use to sway a judge. He knows why you did it and why it's wrong, and he can judge you accordingly.
Just as a personal example, I believe in myself enough that I will only kill in specific examples (at least idealy). Defense of another. But that breaks the commandments given to me by God.
It's a long explanation, I think, but I find it to be one of the few instances where I would kill someone. Sure, I would try other things first, but if you are imminently threatening a child, you're done. Any and all means necessary.
Moving on...
One law? I hardly think so, but it seems like you need to brush up on your Taoism. :-)
I disagree with your assessment on good and evil, naturally. I'm one of those that listens with the utmost attention when you talk about leaving out the black and white, but in my eyes, in my examples, there is clearly a black, and clearly a white.
An artist of your nature can't deny that, you would just like to see that there is more color then that. I see it to, but I do maintain that there are absolutes. Yellow, blue, and red, though they can be shaded, have absolute pigments.
Just a comment on your flexible frame work of judgement, while this would be the more accurate system to judge with at times, beware for it to become twisted. I find it dangerous to get so stuck in the circumstances of an action that we can't see through to what was done.
There are some things that need be considered in determination, and others that should never be given any leniance.
I'm sorry, I'm avoid giving harsh examples because I see that you're sewing a serious tapestry here and I don't need to add my own threads or get you all tangled up.
Ha indeed.
But you have harmed our beliefs. If to change is to harm then we are doomed to suffer.
I can't say that I disagree, and now I understand the length of the post.
BTW, this was one of the clearest most well posts I have read in ages.
There's much danger here, much to learn and consider.
If you figure it out let me know what you find.
Wow, I didn't realize I was just as long winded...
Yes, yes. This could be communicated in a hard to understand way, the first part. Though the beginning and the end both discuss religion the latter did not spring from the first topic.
You and your silly snaps.
I don't want to, it could seem that I feel pressured to. I am constantly pressed to, but it's something I don't see the need for. Who is to say what my path is but me or what is above?
What I am mainly trying to cover in the beginning in the post is not the belief aspect but the membership aspect. It's alot different when someone switches churches in the wide Christian world. In this religion it is considered falling off the path. Sadly, it becomes more of a shock to see someone's attendance drop than to notice the quality of spiritual devotion.
Leaving is considered shameful. I don't want a role. I wouldn't try to fit a role for my family or anyone else for that matter that was completely unattainable. I love them yes, but I don't care what they think. I am not alive to constantly meet an high ranking approval quota. I am just trying to say that there is pain sometimes when it comes to my individuality.
Talking about that church was more an observation.
FYI I may mention many when it comes to these kinds of things but it does not mean that I am dependant on their anticipation for me to become settled in a Christian religion. If I fell limp at each cannonfire of proproganda believe me I would not be where I am now. I have to see and especially *feel* it for myself before I can reaffirm it.
I am mainly talking about the buecracy of it. Many churches are guilty of oversoliciting their exclusiveness and your urgent need to attend. But that makes a religion lose sight of itself.
It makes me sad that my mother has to feel more righteous than I am because of a choice she has made. She is more afraid of what to say to her family than she ever will be about my soul, but she shouldn't be for either. I have more control over myself and my emotions and choices than she ever will, but still I am shamed for not taking on the family religion. However this can't stop me from --- me.
It's why I moved out, so I could be my self and not be punished for it. You can't share ideas in my house. You can't express yourself or question without getting exploded on. Yes when it came to it I would speak my mind, but I would get quieter seeing as these things could flare up several times a day with my mom and I. I don't need a holier than thou speech scheduled hourly. so I am here, under my own roof.
Secondly, in the LDS church people who talk this way are considered dangerous. He who is learned. Supposedly according to the doctrine I have been swallowed up by the tides of the world o hno. This is supposed to be a bad road according to the LDS religion. Pure acceptance is taught in that church instead of questioning, to a large level though indivual relations with God are stressed.
Secondly, I have and continue to question authority. It's why my parents get irritated with me in discussions - well if they are able to make it into office then they know what they are doing etc etc. It disturbs them when I say otherwise.
I questioned this subject seriously at one point and floundered a bit. because I was caught in that dangerous either / or mindset that is so prevalent in a society which focuses so hard on dualities. But the same questions arise, we are taught in this church to ignore these questions but... They still come. My questions are marked as evil.
ahh, yes I also wrote a bit about my thoughts on the tao, but I have left that to a later discussion. :)
Also when it comes to black and white.
funny that since I am an artist I have to make emotional and moral associations with color. I can say black is a state of misery, white is happiness and balance.
I can say that I don't believe in evil because the one who is struggling the most within his or her own world usually commits these 'evils'. I believe that people can be destructive, hateful, hard to communicate with, murderous. But I believe they become this way out of insecurity. I have yet to see someone who hasn't had a string of tramatic events, or, who lacks securtiy or balance within the huge system of their feelings and emotions just suddenly become terrible.
I can agree with a lightness and a darkness but not a sturdy RYB black / white grainy .gif portrait of life's meaning.
It could be a variety of things not 'evil' influences. It could be that their life circumstances have led them to flee to other concepts such as defense or compitition. Neither of these are bad mind you but some can use them in an unhealthy way to their growth. I.E. Defense- is it wrong to stick up for ones self? What if someone has lived in an abusive and nightmarish environment who has been shown no love at all and then suddenly had to deal with dealing with other people in society? Do you think that this indivual is going to behave in a righteous and loving manner? What is so wrong with him if he is only holding to what he knows? Lets say he screws up royally and morally. Lets say he's frustrated with others and goes to what he has been taught that force not love or patience will lead to what he needs/ wants. How about he gets countless young girls pregnant and leaves just leaves, let's say that he laughs and thinks about beating people senseless. These could be easily be labeled as evil, as sin. They are unhealthy and terrible actions but are not sin, not some cosmic error.
Why do we all assume that we are so special that we are the way that we are? That we grew up around some degree of love, that we are fed and don'tget slapped bloody when we disagree? Why do we unconciously assume that we wouldn't do those things when we've had all the benefits they will need a lifetime to understand??? Ahh there is the classic phrase 'there is no excuse for such actions' that's a really safe range of thinking there isn't it? But it's too easy that way. A human soul is not that simple.
I meant no harm but I do understand that a post like this can harm one;s beliefs but not that I am trying to force them on anyone. This is simply my observation. I only mention them if I think you can handle them.
You said secondly twice :-p.
I dare say that there were times for me being affraid to speak out as well, but I have become silent and passive at times. We all know how I love to fight, but I'm no idiot. I'll stay out when I can't win.
Though it's better lately. At times anyways.
I kinda laugh when you point out the difference as it being the mormon church and Christianity, if I didn't mention it.
Funny how you reference it like that.
I had noticed the allusions to color and art, yes, but we can only provide metaphors best to fit what we understand.
Or what we seek to understand, or what our interests are.
If you're going to delve into what is 'evil' and 'sinful' and what is not, you have to start by providing a rubric, a way to grade against what is evil and what isn't.
You argue that intent should be considered when choosing what is evil. I say that because you say if there is no intent, how could that be evil? How could that boy that grew up only knowing the back of his father's fist not turn out twisted? I say that he can. I keep to the fact that the human spirit is stronger than anyone will ever give it credit for. Anyone but me, I think. I feel that deep down inside, he would know what he is doing is wrong. It sounds cliche, it sounds christian, and maybe it's both. But you don't get good and evil from knowledge passed on by your parents. They can teach you many things, but I believe that you know. I believe that despite your circumstances, actions and beliefs you know that what is wrong is wrong and that's it.
That boy might have better ways of ignoring it, but I feel that if you sat him down, quieted his mind and soul, he could feel the wrong from the right. He could discern it.
But maybe that's just me, right? Maybe I'm the one, who in that situation, feels that I could/would do it. Feel the right.
Allow me just to clarify. I was being philosophical and sarcastic when I said that this post is harmful. It is harmful, if you hold to a belief that dissent is harmful. It is harmful, if you latch on to your own thoughts and beliefs and see everything else as an attack on your morality.
As for me being able to handle it, please don't. I mean, even if I couldn't, you have to hit me with both barrels, with everything that you've got. And thus far I have come up with far darker things to worry about than the nature of good and evil. They're not thoughts that are alien to me, I've spent ages going over it, whether or not you should scoff.
The nature of men is a strange thing, and you could spend many lifetimes figuring out just one if you had the time.
As for the nature of good and evil. I hold to absolutism. I hold that there are absolutes in the world. Yes, circumstances will alter the answer, such as I don't see killing in defense in the same light as murder. But there are consequences for actions whether you want them to, believe in them, or not.
That's just part of what I believe in.
no, not measuring 'evil' by intent but strenght of character by intent. So called 'evil' takes place when the intent of one is damaged, one who has been shown a world where his or her intent is poisionous so every act is a dramatic careless one.
I suppose there may be a good and an evil but i think of it in terms of wellness and sickness of the mind and soul. But many times I see very few who actually try to talk to someone who has like this theoretical troublemaker I have mentioned or actually listen once all these things have been commited by him. Because he is easily labelled evil, instead of someone just taking notice the war going on inside of him that causes the irresponsibility to be manifested. Because he never saw or felt the worth of responsibility in such a coarse life. I have met people like this, inexactly. They have so much guards up around people, and people assume that they are just lost hateful and destructve -- evil and need repentance, instead of abused, insecure, and hopeless.
I believe that every action holds consequence as well. What I mainly mean is that many when they ony think in terms of good and evil tend to write people off too soon when this 'evil' state is a state to be pitited and not scorned. It should not be met with scorn, but the nature of that rubric often leads to that.
Your system of absolutes may work for you, as this system works better for me. It's not completely bad in itself because I don't believe that anything is completely anything but an eclectic mix that must strive for a balance and harmony. It can be very useful to making decisions in life, just as long as experiences and people are met with flexibility and not as a solid rule. Not saying that you don't but talking more about others who hold the same system with extremely narrow minds.
Interesting dicussion though, I liked this one. :)
I believe it more in terms of good and dissarray as a side note.
Liked this one? You think you're getting out that easy?
"I have you now!"
I definately understand the need for flexibility, don't take this as a defensive reaction, but I have shown plenty of leniance with those around me when it is necessary.
I'm not all whips and rods, lol.
What I'm always hesitant about when I hear how there is "no evil, only sickness" and "don't write people off" is real life scenarios that teach otherwise.
I know I could definately get a stubborn response out of you, I have for so many others, but what keeps me firm in my belief of evils and those that are "lost" is that I can't find any way, method or means (not that it wouldn't exist) on how you would convert Hitler, Bin Laden and a few choice others.
I have no question in my mind that they are diseased in their soul. But I don't think all the love in the world, or any other "cure" you could concoct would change it. That is why I feel the way I do. That is why I see it as an absolute.
You find me a way to convert that suicide bomber minutes before pushing that button and blowing his diseased self all over the town, and not only will you change my mind, but you will have armed me and the rest of the world with a weapon that will defeat evil for all time.
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